and steve, i do judge him harshly as omb director. after all, the massive spending and deficit and debt creation, jack lew was presiding over all of that. >> yes, well, he reflects the beliefs of his boss. and i'm sure he's a nice guy, man of integrity, but he's wrong on the budget, wrong on taxes and wrong on the dollar. you're wrong in on those three things, it's not going to be a happy tenure. i couldn't care about his resume, as long as he was a smart guy that could get up to speed quickly with his international counterparts and alike. but he's wrong on the three most profound things out there. you know the dollar, the tax code, the spending, all contributing to the disastrous economy we have now. >> and on top of that -- howard dean, i've got to tell you, you may not agree with this either. okay. but a lot -- >> most likely not. >> a lot of republicans really blame jack lew. they say he's intransigent. hep doesn't know how to discuss and compromise. he was the guy who screwed up the 2011 discussions between obama and john boehner